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Message 551 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 5:49:56 UTC

900 credit per wu instead of 5

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Message 552 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 5:57:44 UTC - in response to Message 551.

900 credit per wu instead of 5


I have no idea whats going on here. I will check it and revalidate.

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Message 553 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 5:59:19 UTC - in response to Message 551.

900 credit per wu instead of 5


Yes... KOLOSSAL bug!!!


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Message 554 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 6:03:48 UTC - in response to Message 553.
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900 credit per wu instead of 5


Yes... KOLOSSAL bug!!!


Good day @ all.


I cant see any problem, at 4:46UTC+1 I got still 5 credits and after this time 900.. The credits are fixed in template of the WU and I dont know why BOINC changed this value.

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Message 555 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 6:12:29 UTC

The deadlines are off as well,

all the shorts I'm getting are showing a 4 day deadline...
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Message 556 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 6:13:17 UTC - in response to Message 554.

Looks like it started with R3_230-240k_wu_95000 and up

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Message 557 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 6:22:11 UTC - in response to Message 555.

The deadlines are off as well,

all the shorts I'm getting are showing a 4 day deadline...


He has took my last changes from input file for test WUs S185. Another problem is the revalidation process. It doesnt affect the credits total and sub project badges. Very bad.

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Message 558 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 6:41:50 UTC
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I have revalidate all to 5 credits and he was starting again to give 900 after the run for the old ones too. Must be a really bad bug.

I need to reduce the credits total and sub project credits (short) for everyone later.

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Message 559 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 17:48:20 UTC
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I have identified most of the affected users (53) and need to change values (credits total and badges credits by hand).

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done, the rest of the incoming R3 I will not change.

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Message 560 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 23:25:23 UTC - in response to Message 559.
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I have identified most of the affected users (53) and need to change values (credits total and badges credits by hand).

Update:

done, the rest of the incoming R3 I will not change.


I am sorry Rebirther but I must say I am disappointed. I have pointed out to you before in BU that you MUST tell to your users what is going on in the News section of the server for not everybody has time to search the Message Boards of all projects where a problem is likely to be hidden from most users.

Personally I feel that playing with credits whatever the cause is particular dangerous for unless it is explained properly it will likely lead to loss of trust in the project and eventual loss of users. Looking at the manual adjustment, I do not beleive it to be correct judging by the RAC of users close to me on either side. It just does not make sence that I loose twice the credit when my RAC is less or the other guy looses less credit when his RAC is more than mine. Something is wrong. It could be just my observation but in either case, it leads to mistrust to such an extent that I am now going to crunch other projects until this one is fixed and settled down. I beleive that if you are going to do any adjustment to the server settings than you should try it first on a test server before you adjust the main one. Had you done this, this problem would not have occured as no other projects having problems of this nature.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day. It is not a perfect world and bugs and mistakes will happen whatever you do and you can not satisfy everybodies needs, so carry on regardless.

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Message 561 - Posted: 8 Jan 2015, 23:58:06 UTC - in response to Message 560.

Looking at the manual adjustment, I do not beleive it to be correct judging by the RAC of users close to me on either side.

Indeed, in a matter of hours my total credit went from ~22k to a "corrected" ~128k. Credits are still definitely messed up. It's not a big deal to me personally, but I imagine some people who take this very seriously will be bothered by it.

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Message 562 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 0:57:22 UTC

For the ""correction"" to be done properly, not only does the overall total need correcting (which mine has been), but the Computer totals has to be corrected as well.
My computers still add up to over 160,000 points, yet my overall is only about 56,000.

Could not all those work units be re-validated so their value changes from 900 to 5 and then the computers will correct themselves?

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Message 563 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 1:05:52 UTC - in response to Message 562.

For the ""correction"" to be done properly, not only does the overall total need correcting (which mine has been), but the Computer totals has to be corrected as well.
My computers still add up to over 160,000 points, yet my overall is only about 56,000.

Could not all those work units be re-validated so their value changes from 900 to 5 and then the computers will correct themselves?

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A good point. My computers still add up to 557k.

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Message 564 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 5:32:01 UTC - in response to Message 562.

For the ""correction"" to be done properly, not only does the overall total need correcting (which mine has been), but the Computer totals has to be corrected as well.
My computers still add up to over 160,000 points, yet my overall is only about 56,000.

Could not all those work units be re-validated so their value changes from 900 to 5 and then the computers will correct themselves?

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I have tried to revalidate but boinc does it wrong, the value of 5 is there for a few seconds and will add it again to credits total after that its switching to 900 again and count it too.

The RAC will normalise again if you are crunching some new WUs. If you need a change in the host tell me the number. I could not correct all the things I need it this will take too long.

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Message 565 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 6:12:22 UTC - in response to Message 564.

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I could not correct all the things I need it this will take too long.


Why not to cancel the batch of the Sierpinski/Riesel Base - short WUs incriminated.
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Message 566 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 7:25:08 UTC - in response to Message 564.

For the ""correction"" to be done properly, not only does the overall total need correcting (which mine has been), but the Computer totals has to be corrected as well.
My computers still add up to over 160,000 points, yet my overall is only about 56,000.

Could not all those work units be re-validated so their value changes from 900 to 5 and then the computers will correct themselves?

Thanks
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I have tried to revalidate but BOINC does it wrong, the value of 5 is there for a few seconds and will add it again to credits total after that its switching to 900 again and count it too.

The RAC will normalise again if you are crunching some new WUs. If you need a change in the host tell me the number. I could not correct all the things I need it this will take too long.


Thanks for the reply Rebirther.

I did a bit of maths and as all my short task that I processed are still on my computer, I was able to work out my correct totals.

Current User Total (all 4 computers) = 56,681

Host 424 current total = 33,479 credits
Processed 26 affected short tasks, 26 x 900 = 23,400
Corrected value is 26 x 5 = 130
So Host 424 should have 33,479 - 23,400 + 130 = 10,209 credits

Host 425 current total = 41,416 credits
Processed 31 affected short tasks, 31 x 900 = 27,900
Corrected value is 31 x 5 = 155
So Host 425 should have 41,416 - 27,900 + 155 = 13,671 credits

Host 426 current total = 47,578 credits
Processed 32 affected short tasks, 32 x 900 = 28,800
Corrected value is 32 x 5 = 160
So Host 426 should have 47,578 - 28,800 + 160 = 18,938 credits

Host 427 current total = 37,708 credits
Processed 26 affected short tasks. 26 x 900 = 23,400
Corrected value = 26 x 5 = 230
So Host 427 should have 37,708 - 23,400 + 130 = 14,438 credits

My totals now are 10,209 + 13,671 + 18,938 + 14,438 = 57,256 credits

The difference between my new total of 57,256 and the one you show for me (56,681) is the 5 credit value of the work units that you corrected.

You appear to have removed all 900 credits per WU but did not give back the 5 credit value each WU should of been given.

If this does not make sense please let me know.

Thanks
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Message 570 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 16:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 566.

For the ""correction"" to be done properly, not only does the overall total need correcting (which mine has been), but the Computer totals has to be corrected as well.
My computers still add up to over 160,000 points, yet my overall is only about 56,000.

Could not all those work units be re-validated so their value changes from 900 to 5 and then the computers will correct themselves?

Thanks
Conan


I have tried to revalidate but BOINC does it wrong, the value of 5 is there for a few seconds and will add it again to credits total after that its switching to 900 again and count it too.

The RAC will normalise again if you are crunching some new WUs. If you need a change in the host tell me the number. I could not correct all the things I need it this will take too long.


Thanks for the reply Rebirther.

I did a bit of maths and as all my short task that I processed are still on my computer, I was able to work out my correct totals.

Current User Total (all 4 computers) = 56,681

Host 424 current total = 33,479 credits
Processed 26 affected short tasks, 26 x 900 = 23,400
Corrected value is 26 x 5 = 130
So Host 424 should have 33,479 - 23,400 + 130 = 10,209 credits

Host 425 current total = 41,416 credits
Processed 31 affected short tasks, 31 x 900 = 27,900
Corrected value is 31 x 5 = 155
So Host 425 should have 41,416 - 27,900 + 155 = 13,671 credits

Host 426 current total = 47,578 credits
Processed 32 affected short tasks, 32 x 900 = 28,800
Corrected value is 32 x 5 = 160
So Host 426 should have 47,578 - 28,800 + 160 = 18,938 credits

Host 427 current total = 37,708 credits
Processed 26 affected short tasks. 26 x 900 = 23,400
Corrected value = 26 x 5 = 230
So Host 427 should have 37,708 - 23,400 + 130 = 14,438 credits

My totals now are 10,209 + 13,671 + 18,938 + 14,438 = 57,256 credits

The difference between my new total of 57,256 and the one you show for me (56,681) is the 5 credit value of the work units that you corrected.

You appear to have removed all 900 credits per WU but did not give back the 5 credit value each WU should of been given.

If this does not make sense please let me know.

Thanks
Conan


corrected.

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Message 584 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 21:14:54 UTC

I still think that the adjustment on my credits are wrong. According to BOINCStats, I have gained 6 positions in a week yet after the adjustment, I lost 9 positions. During this time I have been crunching the same machines 24/7 when WU's were available. Can you explain the difference?.

This is the reason I have been saying DO Not touch the Main Stream Server. You can't just say that BOINC is not doing it correctly since none of the other projects have this problem. All adjustments should be done and tested on a test server first. I am willing to volunteer one of my machines until BU has sufficient funds for you to purchase a test machine. If you want it, let me know and I will set it up for remote computing that you can access.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...

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Message 586 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 21:24:27 UTC - in response to Message 584.

I still think that the adjustment on my credits are wrong. According to BOINCStats, I have gained 6 positions in a week yet after the adjustment, I lost 9 positions. During this time I have been crunching the same machines 24/7 when WU's were available. Can you explain the difference?.

This is the reason I have been saying DO Not touch the Main Stream Server. You can't just say that BOINC is not doing it correctly since none of the other projects have this problem. All adjustments should be done and tested on a test server first. I am willing to volunteer one of my machines until BU has sufficient funds for you to purchase a test machine. If you want it, let me know and I will set it up for remote computing that you can access.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...


I have picked up all 900 R3s and credits were reduced from total and subproject. If you missed something let it me know.

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Message 591 - Posted: 9 Jan 2015, 22:09:39 UTC - in response to Message 586.

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I have picked up all 900 R3s and credits were reduced from total and subproject. If you missed something let it me know.


Yes, that might be, but did you give credit of any kind for the work completed? It seems to me that you have reduced credit by 900 but did not give credit by the previously normal 5. That is why users that did not complete any tasks during this time all of a sudden past me. If I am wrong, please explain why BOINCStats shows me as gaining 6 places in a week and loosing 9.

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