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1) Message boards : Number crunching : credits (Message 2619)
Posted 4 Jun 2016 by Cruncher Pete
There is two types of persons here: one looking for prime, and second looking for credits, badges , and so on.

I've given up on credits almost entirely. I crunch for credits until I get 25,000 then I crunch for hours. I've reached that milestone on nearly all my active projects. Badges will happen along the way. Finding a prime is a delicious bonus.

I'm a third variation!

I initially crunched to reach a personal target 1M in the project. Then on reaching that it was to get 10M per sub-project - this is still a work in progress and is taking a very long time. To assist the process I have purchased several Xeon class server CPUs (such a shame the SuperMicro motherboards are so expensive when the CPUs are reasonably priced).

My preference is for shorter running tasks as I prefer to run my computers at idle speeds overnight so I can sleep. If a challenge is on however, I'll run my farm flat out 24/7 as I'm super competitive :)

I totally agree with Steve Hawker's observation that "finding a prime is a delicious bonus".


Thank you Vaughn for your input for I can relate to that. Good luck.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
2) Message boards : News : base R63 on urgent list (Message 1206)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Cruncher Pete
sorry reb, I can not find any reference to Base R63 anywhere.


What reference are you looking for?


Your news article stated: "base R63 on urgent list." I have no idea where to find base R63. It is not in the applications section. it is not in the server status and it is not in the select project in the users account project choices. If it is hidden somewhere else, than why are we not be made aware of its location to know which project are you talking about.


Ah, ok, you will find all current running bases here


I am sorry but it seems I am missing something here or I am just confused. I clicked on the link that reb provided and I could not find Base R63 listed. I than checked the Science section as suggested by Conan (thanks) and I find: quote:
- n=15-25k, 25856k left
- runtime 5-15s (AVX @4Ghz)
- 11.956.871 WUs left (25k)
unquoe.

That to me says nothing for I do not know what app it refers to. Is it one of the bases or one of the short, long or average apps.

I am confused. Could this kind of information be incorporated in the description of the application in the server status for example where we can all see it and understand what you are talking about? All I want to know what application I should select if your are asking for help to finish it in a hurry.
3) Message boards : News : base R63 on urgent list (Message 1205)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Cruncher Pete
sorry reb, I can not find any reference to Base R63 anywhere.


What reference are you looking for?


Your news article stated: "base R63 on urgent list." I have no idea where to find base R63. It is not in the applications section. it is not in the server status and it is not in the select project in the users account project choices. If it is hidden somewhere else, than why are we not be made aware of its location to know which project are you talking about.


Ah, ok, you will find all current running bases here


I am sorry but it seems I am missing something here or I am just confused. I clicked on the link that reb provided and I could not find Base R63 listed. I than checked the Science section as suggested by Conan (thanks) and I find: quote:
- n=15-25k, 25856k left
- runtime 5-15s (AVX @4Ghz)
- 11.956.871 WUs left (25k)
unquoe.

That to me says nothing for I do not know what app it refers to. Is it one of the bases or one of the short, long or average apps.

I am confused. Could this kind of information be incorporated in the description of the application in the server status for example where we can all see it and understand what you are talking about? All I want to know what application I should select if your are asking for help to finish it in a hurry.
4) Message boards : News : base R63 on urgent list (Message 1204)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Cruncher Pete
sorry reb, I can not find any reference to Base R63 anywhere.


What reference are you looking for?


Your news article stated: "base R63 on urgent list." I have no idea where to find base R63. It is not in the applications section. it is not in the server status and it is not in the select project in the users account project choices. If it is hidden somewhere else, than why are we not be made aware of its location to know which project are you talking about.


Ah, ok, you will find all current running bases here


I am sorry but it seems I am missing something here or I am just confused. I clicked on the link that reb provided and I could not find Base R63 listed. I than checked the Science section as suggested by Conan (thanks) and I find: quote:
- n=15-25k, 25856k left
- runtime 5-15s (AVX @4Ghz)
- 11.956.871 WUs left (25k)
unquoe.

That to me says nothing for I do not know what app it refers to. Is it one of the bases or one of the short, long or average apps.

I am confused. Could this kind of information be incorporated in the description of the application in the server status for example where we can all see it and understand what you are talking about? All I want to know what application I should select if your are asking for help to finish it in a hurry.
5) Message boards : News : base R63 on urgent list (Message 1194)
Posted 2 Apr 2015 by Cruncher Pete
sorry reb, I can not find any reference to Base R63 anywhere.


What reference are you looking for?


Your news article stated: "base R63 on urgent list." I have no idea where to find base R63. It is not in the applications section. it is not in the server status and it is not in the select project in the users account project choices. If it is hidden somewhere else, than why are we not be made aware of its location to know which project are you talking about.
6) Message boards : News : base R63 on urgent list (Message 1191)
Posted 1 Apr 2015 by Cruncher Pete
sorry reb, I can not find any reference to Base R63 anywhere.
7) Message boards : Number crunching : credits (Message 610)
Posted 12 Jan 2015 by Cruncher Pete
You might want to try being a bit more supportive of all the work he's put into this site, and make the criticism a bit more constructive. He's doing it for you.


I do not understand Michael. Had you read my remarks in this and other threads to rebirther you would have found that I suggested that rebirther run a test server before he does any adjustment to the main server. I even offered a machine of mine to help him out. I suggested that he makes more use of the News Section of the project to keep users up to date. To date there is no mention about the 900 x error and its subsequent adjustment to scores or in deed that the project is now using Credit New. Are they not constructive criticisms?

As regards your statement that : "He is doing it for me." Please explain how is that so. He keeps changing the credits from day to day and does not explain to us why he is doing that in the News. Not everybody has time to search the Message Box where threads are often gets kind of hidden among a number of others. He reduces my credit and does not give credit at all for Work Units I submitted. (Divided by 900 but did not multiply by 5 to give me credit for my work) This has been proven by one user and his scores were adjusted. Why all of our other involved users score were not subjected to the same correction.) When questioned rebirther did offer to adjust mine as well if I give him my previous scores. I can not do that for my system do not keep a database. That sort of information is only available to project Admins.

All I am asking is to treat everybody equally and tell us what is going on in the News section. I have been around long enough to realize that it is not easy to run a New project and I accept that bugs, mistakes and errors will occur. What I will not accept is statement like yours that I should be more constructive in my criticism and remarks like He is doing it for you. I say again, How so? Is he going to pay for the Electricity costs that I have wasted by stuffing up my credits? This is an open project in Beta but is not a Test project. It is time Projects realize that we are not just cannon fodder for we are HELPING THEM and they are not helping us.
8) Message boards : Number crunching : credits (Message 597)
Posted 10 Jan 2015 by Cruncher Pete


From a credit-hunter's perspective, this means SRBase will be a good place to put AMD CPUs since they'll get about the same credit per core-hour as AVX CPUs. Under a more fair credit system, AMD CPUs get fewer credits per core-hour.

People who care more about the conjectures and primes than about credits and badges won't change their habits.


I am one of those that do care about fair credit and badges for the priviledge of running this project. It should be the other way around for it seems that to a project credit is irrelevent and they think we will spend thousand of dollars on equipment and power to have the priviledge of working for them for nothing in return.

In reply to rebirther's statement that he wants to know what we think about
changing the credits to Credits New, I replied. It seems he has made up his mind for he has written that statement today and without waiting for anybody elses comment he has already changed the credit to Credit New. Furthermore, the credit system has been changed a number of times in the last few days, yet in the News Section of the project it was only mentioned once and no statement about the sudden reduction in credit.

The only way I can object to this kind of statement and management is to cease crunching for this project. Whilst I accept that this project is still in Beta and problems likely to occur Credit New sucks and is unfair to users who have purchased powerful and fast machines favouring less efficient ones. If you do not care about credits and think that users will stil follow you why don't you stop credit altogether and see if your statement is correct. Just make a statement in the News Section that from now on this project will not give any credit for it is designed for those who are interested in Prime Numbers only.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
9) Message boards : Number crunching : R3_230-240k credit (Message 591)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Cruncher Pete
[quote]

I have picked up all 900 R3s and credits were reduced from total and subproject. If you missed something let it me know.


Yes, that might be, but did you give credit of any kind for the work completed? It seems to me that you have reduced credit by 900 but did not give credit by the previously normal 5. That is why users that did not complete any tasks during this time all of a sudden past me. If I am wrong, please explain why BOINCStats shows me as gaining 6 places in a week and loosing 9.
10) Message boards : Number crunching : credits (Message 590)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Cruncher Pete
Rebirther if you do that, you will loose me (not a big deal) and lots of other users I am sure, that will make your job a lot easier.

Playing with users credits like this is not fair. Just think of any new comers. They will have no chance to catch up to the top users as they would have received more credits for the same amount of work.

It might just be me but I do not like Credit New for the same reason as stated. I purposely crunch those projects that do not use Credit New for it is not fair to anybody to move the goal post in the middle of the game, favouring one team or user.

Just think. In order to be fair to all, you would have to play with everybodies score yet once again and reduce their credits to what they should have received had you started with Credit New.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
11) Message boards : Number crunching : R3_230-240k credit (Message 584)
Posted 9 Jan 2015 by Cruncher Pete
I still think that the adjustment on my credits are wrong. According to BOINCStats, I have gained 6 positions in a week yet after the adjustment, I lost 9 positions. During this time I have been crunching the same machines 24/7 when WU's were available. Can you explain the difference?.

This is the reason I have been saying DO Not touch the Main Stream Server. You can't just say that BOINC is not doing it correctly since none of the other projects have this problem. All adjustments should be done and tested on a test server first. I am willing to volunteer one of my machines until BU has sufficient funds for you to purchase a test machine. If you want it, let me know and I will set it up for remote computing that you can access.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day...
12) Message boards : Number crunching : R3_230-240k credit (Message 560)
Posted 8 Jan 2015 by Cruncher Pete
I have identified most of the affected users (53) and need to change values (credits total and badges credits by hand).

Update:

done, the rest of the incoming R3 I will not change.


I am sorry Rebirther but I must say I am disappointed. I have pointed out to you before in BU that you MUST tell to your users what is going on in the News section of the server for not everybody has time to search the Message Boards of all projects where a problem is likely to be hidden from most users.

Personally I feel that playing with credits whatever the cause is particular dangerous for unless it is explained properly it will likely lead to loss of trust in the project and eventual loss of users. Looking at the manual adjustment, I do not beleive it to be correct judging by the RAC of users close to me on either side. It just does not make sence that I loose twice the credit when my RAC is less or the other guy looses less credit when his RAC is more than mine. Something is wrong. It could be just my observation but in either case, it leads to mistrust to such an extent that I am now going to crunch other projects until this one is fixed and settled down. I beleive that if you are going to do any adjustment to the server settings than you should try it first on a test server before you adjust the main one. Had you done this, this problem would not have occured as no other projects having problems of this nature.

Keep on crunching and have a nice day. It is not a perfect world and bugs and mistakes will happen whatever you do and you can not satisfy everybodies needs, so carry on regardless.
13) Message boards : Number crunching : HTTP File not found (Message 177)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Cruncher Pete
Still getting HTTP file not found


I did some changes in config.xml. Is it better now? Need to check the upload_handler if its working.


I am getting tasks now thanks.
14) Message boards : News : 400 test WUs for all apps loaded (Message 169)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Cruncher Pete
I figure that by now all 400 WU's should have been downloaded by now but near 300 ate still available. Some or most of us using Windows platform are getting: Sheduler error: HTTP file not found. Is this because the remaining WU's are for OSX?
15) Message boards : Number crunching : HTTP File not found (Message 166)
Posted 13 Dec 2014 by Cruncher Pete
I am getting the error: "HTTP File not found". Using Win7 OS. Tasks ready to send states 300+. I have restarted the app, reset the app as well as reinstalled the app. Using BOINC version 7.4.27 and have tried 7.4.35 as well with same results.
16) Message boards : Number crunching : CreditNew sucks... ;-) (Message 97)
Posted 3 Dec 2014 by Cruncher Pete
Well, I do care about credits. It looks like this will be another project that I will not be too interested, although I will be crunching some. To me CreditNew is ridiculously low. I am paying $700+ a month for electricity just for BOINC purposes. I am not a monkey and expect to be paid peanuts. Since there are other worthwhile projects to crunch with set credits that are better than Credit New, I will not follow any project that uses Credit New. That is my personal choice and I do not wish to argue about it. It is about time that BOINC Administration wakes up and realize that we want a decent credit for what we are doing as Volunteers after all it means nothing to them and it costs us a lot of money.




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