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rebirther Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 2 Jan 13 Posts: 7255 Credit: 42,729,227 RAC: 4	Message 6301 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 17:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 6300. Last modified: 19 Apr 2020, 17:26:17 UTC
Collatz is inflated. by a factor of 1.527 - this is roughly what I'd expect, perhaps as high as 1.6 to match PPS Sieve and Moo credits (based on what I remember !) Just as expected :) Well, 1.6 is propably what we should shoot for Reb - so we need to have credit that resembles for 77-78 bit 165000x1.6 = 264000. That way we will align with Primegrid and Moo. To be honest, I don't think that it is fair by Collatz :( They are seriously distorting the true amount of computations done by the BOINC community :( Thanks for your usefull and enlightning feedback :) Agree. Now you should align the 72-73 bits credit and so forth. Ah I see, must be 5000 ^^, updated in DB
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GLadi Send message Joined: 25 Mar 20 Posts: 2 Credit: 3,422,240 RAC: 0	Message 6304 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 18:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 6299.
New work added: 72-73 bit 5000 credits runtime ~30min (@5500XT) deadline: 5 days (+1 grace_period) max WUs in progress = 20 more are follow. Runtime for RTX 2060 SUPER is ~5m40s.
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bluestang Send message Joined: 6 Jun 19 Posts: 59 Credit: 1,268,237,570 RAC: 0	Message 6305 - Posted: 19 Apr 2020, 19:34:45 UTC Last modified: 19 Apr 2020, 20:11:19 UTC
<cmdline>-d 0</cmdline> (or -d 1) no longer works like it used to to be able to tell which GPU to use. On Windows 10 with NVIDIA GPUs. EDIT: Had to reset Project as it still had the job_GPU72_x63c_00002.xml file in the folder. After a reset everything working like it was before the change. Let's hope it stays that way.
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mmonnin Send message Joined: 1 Feb 17 Posts: 27 Credit: 311,202,073 RAC: 84,573	Message 6308 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 0:45:25 UTC - in response to Message 6295.
Collatz is inflated. by a factor of 1.527 - this is roughly what I'd expect, perhaps as high as 1.6 to match PPS Sieve and Moo credits (based on what I remember !) Just as expected :) Well, 1.6 is propably what we should shoot for Reb - so we need to have credit that resembles for 77-78 bit 165000x1.6 = 264000. That way we will align with Primegrid and Moo. To be honest, I don't think that it is fair by Collatz :( They are seriously distorting the true amount of computations done by the BOINC community :( Thanks for your usefull and enlightning feedback :) Collatz is the worst example. Making credit like collatz will attract all the point whores and cheaters.
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KEP Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Nov 14 Posts: 88 Credit: 1,102,770 RAC: 0	Message 6309 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 8:30:49 UTC - in response to Message 6308.
Collatz is the worst example. Making credit like collatz will attract all the point whores and cheaters. That is just sad :( ... to be honest, I've always been in this for the science. A good measurement of how much science has been done, is in fact the pure uninflated/undeflated cobblestone. Now, because of Collatz and most likely also other projects, it is virtually impossible to tell wether we actually computed more science one year back, compared to the years before that. Well, this is not for the credit hunters. Of course we all should work together on getting credit right, such that people get what they should have, without beeing too much off to either side.
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rebirther Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 2 Jan 13 Posts: 7255 Credit: 42,729,227 RAC: 4	Message 6310 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 15:39:16 UTC Last modified: 20 Apr 2020, 15:46:42 UTC
All apps are updated to v13: Changelog: - mfaktc has a new wrapper, checkpoints every 2min (depends on your GPU) - new mfakto linux app (faster pre7 version with RDNA) + new wrapper Update: There are some download errors, need to investigate whats wrong (cuda apps + opencl win) back to v12
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HK-Steve Send message Joined: 4 Jun 17 Posts: 2 Credit: 67,189,575 RAC: 0	Message 6311 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 16:05:12 UTC - in response to Message 6310.
All apps are updated to v13: Changelog: - mfaktc has a new wrapper, checkpoints every 2min (depends on your GPU) - new mfakto linux app (faster pre7 version with RDNA) + new wrapper Update: There are some download errors, need to investigate whats wrong (cuda apps + opencl win) back to v12 HUGE AMOUNT OF DOWNLOAD ERRORS for V13 on Windowz…….. Stopping downloading until you have got it worked out, fingerscrossed soon. Much appreciated.
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rebirther Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 2 Jan 13 Posts: 7255 Credit: 42,729,227 RAC: 4	Message 6312 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 16:06:25 UTC - in response to Message 6311. Last modified: 20 Apr 2020, 16:19:39 UTC
All apps are updated to v13: Changelog: - mfaktc has a new wrapper, checkpoints every 2min (depends on your GPU) - new mfakto linux app (faster pre7 version with RDNA) + new wrapper Update: There are some download errors, need to investigate whats wrong (cuda apps + opencl win) back to v12 HUGE AMOUNT OF DOWNLOAD ERRORS for V13 on Windowz…….. Stopping downloading until you have got it worked out, fingerscrossed soon. Much appreciated. Should be back to normal, v12 are back, there is something wrong with the new wrapper (maybe digital signature from BOINC) and thats why it called beta
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HK-Steve Send message Joined: 4 Jun 17 Posts: 2 Credit: 67,189,575 RAC: 0	Message 6313 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 16:36:54 UTC - in response to Message 6312.
Should be back to normal, v12 are back, there is something wrong with the new wrapper (maybe digital signature from BOINC) and thats why it called beta Hope you can get the V13 working. Appreciate your quick feedback.
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rebirther Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 2 Jan 13 Posts: 7255 Credit: 42,729,227 RAC: 4	Message 6314 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 16:38:19 UTC - in response to Message 6313. Last modified: 20 Apr 2020, 16:43:04 UTC
Should be back to normal, v12 are back, there is something wrong with the new wrapper (maybe digital signature from BOINC) and thats why it called beta Hope you can get the V13 working. Appreciate your quick feedback. DeleteNull is working on a new wrapper, something is not right but this has nothing todo with the download errors.
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Was surprised to see that some did manage to download but they didn't last long when they ran... process exited with code 193 (0xc1, -63)</message> <stderr_txt> 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper: running ./mfaktc.exe () SIGSEGV: segmentation violation Stack trace (8 frames): ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x42ad40] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0(+0x12890)[0x7f36f6ceb890] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0xb1e55)[0x7f36f6999e55] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x409392] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40970e] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x4088e3] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe7)[0x7f36f6909b97] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40548a] Exiting...
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Was surprised to see that some did manage to download but they didn't last long when they ran... process exited with code 193 (0xc1, -63)</message> <stderr_txt> 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper: running ./mfaktc.exe () SIGSEGV: segmentation violation Stack trace (8 frames): ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x42ad40] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0(+0x12890)[0x7f36f6ceb890] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0xb1e55)[0x7f36f6999e55] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x409392] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40970e] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x4088e3] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe7)[0x7f36f6909b97] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40548a] Exiting... Was this on linux or windows?
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rebirther Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 2 Jan 13 Posts: 7255 Credit: 42,729,227 RAC: 4	Message 6317 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 17:41:11 UTC
v15 opencl app for linux is up with new wrapper.
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KEP Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Nov 14 Posts: 88 Credit: 1,102,770 RAC: 0	Message 6318 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 17:41:38 UTC
I'm not sure if this is worth anything, but now that I think about it, Rieselsieve, also had a lot of errors, when they upgraded from one version of an app to a newer one. If I recall correct, it may have something to do with the workunit once created is tied to a certain app. Maybe v13 can be implemented, but only for the new work. As mentioned not sure if this is infact the problem, or if I recall correctly, it is afterall more than 10 years back in time :) Good job Reb :)
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PDW Send message Joined: 15 Oct 15 Posts: 41 Credit: 1,078,459,894 RAC: 9,953	Message 6319 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 17:42:02 UTC - in response to Message 6316.
../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40548a] Was this on linux or windows? It was on only one of my linux machines, the others all had failed to download.
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rebirther Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project tester Project scientist Send message Joined: 2 Jan 13 Posts: 7255 Credit: 42,729,227 RAC: 4	Message 6320 - Posted: 20 Apr 2020, 17:43:02 UTC - in response to Message 6318.
I'm not sure if this is worth anything, but now that I think about it, Rieselsieve, also had a lot of errors, when they upgraded from one version of an app to a newer one. If I recall correct, it may have something to do with the workunit once created is tied to a certain app. Maybe v13 can be implemented, but only for the new work. As mentioned not sure if this is infact the problem, or if I recall correctly, it is afterall more than 10 years back in time :) Good job Reb :) Nope, WU creation doesnt impact the app.
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v16 opencl app for linux is up with new wrapper. We still trying to track down all the issues (first on linux)
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v17 opencl app for linux is up with new wrapper.
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There are some issues with output files where different factors are in one result and some duplicates, need to check whats going on here. Update: server daemons are ok, found the affected host, will do a deeper check.
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Collatz is inflated.

by a factor of 1.527 - this is roughly what I'd expect, perhaps as high as 1.6 to match PPS Sieve and Moo credits (based on what I remember !)

Just as expected :)

Well, 1.6 is propably what we should shoot for Reb - so we need to have credit that resembles for 77-78 bit 165000x1.6 = 264000. That way we will align with Primegrid and Moo.

To be honest, I don't think that it is fair by Collatz :( They are seriously distorting the true amount of computations done by the BOINC community :(

Thanks for your usefull and enlightning feedback :)

Agree. Now you should align the 72-73 bits credit and so forth.

Ah I see, must be 5000 ^^, updated in DB

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New work added:

72-73 bit
5000 credits
runtime ~30min (@5500XT)
deadline: 5 days (+1 grace_period)
max WUs in progress = 20

more are follow.

Runtime for RTX 2060 SUPER is ~5m40s.

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<cmdline>-d 0</cmdline> (or -d 1) no longer works like it used to to be able to tell which GPU to use. On Windows 10 with NVIDIA GPUs.

EDIT: Had to reset Project as it still had the job_GPU72_x63c_00002.xml file in the folder. After a reset everything working like it was before the change. Let's hope it stays that way.

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Collatz is inflated.

by a factor of 1.527 - this is roughly what I'd expect, perhaps as high as 1.6 to match PPS Sieve and Moo credits (based on what I remember !)

Just as expected :)

Well, 1.6 is propably what we should shoot for Reb - so we need to have credit that resembles for 77-78 bit 165000x1.6 = 264000. That way we will align with Primegrid and Moo.

To be honest, I don't think that it is fair by Collatz :( They are seriously distorting the true amount of computations done by the BOINC community :(

Thanks for your usefull and enlightning feedback :)

Collatz is the worst example. Making credit like collatz will attract all the point whores and cheaters.

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Collatz is the worst example. Making credit like collatz will attract all the point whores and cheaters.

That is just sad :( ... to be honest, I've always been in this for the science. A good measurement of how much science has been done, is in fact the pure uninflated/undeflated cobblestone. Now, because of Collatz and most likely also other projects, it is virtually impossible to tell wether we actually computed more science one year back, compared to the years before that. Well, this is not for the credit hunters. Of course we all should work together on getting credit right, such that people get what they should have, without beeing too much off to either side.

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All apps are updated to v13:

Changelog:
- mfaktc has a new wrapper, checkpoints every 2min (depends on your GPU)
- new mfakto linux app (faster pre7 version with RDNA) + new wrapper

Update:
There are some download errors, need to investigate whats wrong (cuda apps + opencl win) back to v12

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All apps are updated to v13:

Changelog:
- mfaktc has a new wrapper, checkpoints every 2min (depends on your GPU)
- new mfakto linux app (faster pre7 version with RDNA) + new wrapper

Update:
There are some download errors, need to investigate whats wrong (cuda apps + opencl win) back to v12

HUGE AMOUNT OF DOWNLOAD ERRORS for V13 on Windowz……..
Stopping downloading until you have got it worked out, fingerscrossed soon.

Much appreciated.

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All apps are updated to v13:

Changelog:
- mfaktc has a new wrapper, checkpoints every 2min (depends on your GPU)
- new mfakto linux app (faster pre7 version with RDNA) + new wrapper

Update:
There are some download errors, need to investigate whats wrong (cuda apps + opencl win) back to v12

HUGE AMOUNT OF DOWNLOAD ERRORS for V13 on Windowz……..
Stopping downloading until you have got it worked out, fingerscrossed soon.

Much appreciated.

Should be back to normal, v12 are back, there is something wrong with the new wrapper (maybe digital signature from BOINC) and thats why it called beta

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Should be back to normal, v12 are back, there is something wrong with the new wrapper (maybe digital signature from BOINC) and thats why it called beta

Hope you can get the V13 working. Appreciate your quick feedback.

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Should be back to normal, v12 are back, there is something wrong with the new wrapper (maybe digital signature from BOINC) and thats why it called beta

Hope you can get the V13 working. Appreciate your quick feedback.

DeleteNull is working on a new wrapper, something is not right but this has nothing todo with the download errors.

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Was surprised to see that some did manage to download but they didn't last long when they ran...

process exited with code 193 (0xc1, -63)</message> <stderr_txt> 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper: running ./mfaktc.exe () SIGSEGV: segmentation violation Stack trace (8 frames): ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x42ad40] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0(+0x12890)[0x7f36f6ceb890] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0xb1e55)[0x7f36f6999e55] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x409392] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40970e] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x4088e3] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe7)[0x7f36f6909b97] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40548a] Exiting...

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Was surprised to see that some did manage to download but they didn't last long when they ran...

process exited with code 193 (0xc1, -63)</message> <stderr_txt> 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper (7.16.26016): starting 18:00:10 (97312): wrapper: running ./mfaktc.exe () SIGSEGV: segmentation violation Stack trace (8 frames): ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x42ad40] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libpthread.so.0(+0x12890)[0x7f36f6ceb890] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(+0xb1e55)[0x7f36f6999e55] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x409392] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40970e] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x4088e3] /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xe7)[0x7f36f6909b97] ../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40548a] Exiting...

Was this on linux or windows?

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v15 opencl app for linux is up with new wrapper.

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I'm not sure if this is worth anything, but now that I think about it, Rieselsieve, also had a lot of errors, when they upgraded from one version of an app to a newer one. If I recall correct, it may have something to do with the workunit once created is tied to a certain app. Maybe v13 can be implemented, but only for the new work. As mentioned not sure if this is infact the problem, or if I recall correctly, it is afterall more than 10 years back in time :)

Good job Reb :)

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../../projects/srbase.my-firewall.org_sr5/wrapper_26016-lt3_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu[0x40548a]

Was this on linux or windows?

It was on only one of my linux machines, the others all had failed to download.

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I'm not sure if this is worth anything, but now that I think about it, Rieselsieve, also had a lot of errors, when they upgraded from one version of an app to a newer one. If I recall correct, it may have something to do with the workunit once created is tied to a certain app. Maybe v13 can be implemented, but only for the new work. As mentioned not sure if this is infact the problem, or if I recall correctly, it is afterall more than 10 years back in time :)

Good job Reb :)

Nope, WU creation doesnt impact the app.

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v16 opencl app for linux is up with new wrapper. We still trying to track down all the issues (first on linux)

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v17 opencl app for linux is up with new wrapper.

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There are some issues with output files where different factors are in one result and some duplicates, need to check whats going on here.

Update:
server daemons are ok, found the affected host, will do a deeper check.

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